Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: International Tournies and More

Thanks for the reality check Bill!

I actually laughed out loud when I saw that Sanheim-Paciorrety headline

not only is it ridiculous in its own right, but after MTL traded Sergachev for Drouin? not even worth thinking about. One of the more laughable headlines he has made up recently

I am really excited to see how the Flyers look next year with Paciorrety on the left wing along with Weber and Byfuglien on defense

Philly has too many guys that are natural centers. If they move anyone it would likely be one of of these guys for a legit winger. Makes no sense to move any natural winger or D unless its Amac.

I actually laughed out loud when I saw that Sanheim-Paciorrety headline

not only is it ridiculous in its own right, but after MTL traded Sergachev for Drouin? not even worth thinking about. One of the more laughable headlines he has made up recently

I am really excited to see how the Flyers look next year with Paciorrety on the left wing along with Weber and Byfuglien on defense
- YuenglingJagr

I don't think they want to move J-Bo to the second pair.

The only two names that pop in my head for Montreal are Giroux and Simmonds. And both would be tough trades for different reasons. Giroux the return and Montreal taking on that big of a deal. Now they do have space and lose Plekanc next year but it seams tough. Simmonds would be tough because I think you would need to bring back a big return and not sure what montreal could send this way.

Any deal would probably have to start with Galchenyuk

Bill what would you do with Simmonds if your the Gm? Do you look to re-sign him to a 7 year deal for 6 million or maybe more? Or look to move him?

Also while the proposed deal doesn't make sense, I put little faith on what a GM says.

Bill what would you do with Simmonds if your the Gm? Do you look to resign him to a 7 year deal for 6 million or maybe more? Or look to move him?

Also while the proposed deal doesn't make sense, I put little faith on what a GM says.
- rinaldo

I do to but when you look at his actions, he hasn't moved any youth for rentals or vets. The trades he has made are moving out vets and contracts to position this team for the future.

Now that can start to change, like Bill said, when things change and the flyers are closer to being one player away.

The only two names that pop in my head for Montreal are Giroux and Simmonds. And both would be tough trades for different reasons. Giroux the return and Montreal taking on that big of a deal. Now they do have space and lose Plekanc next year but it seams tough. Simmonds would be tough because I think you would need to bring back a big return and not sure what montreal could send this way.

Any deal would probably have to start with Galchenyuk
- J35Bacher

I've been on board with what Hextall has done. I understand that we're not a contender at the moment and that we're building towards it.

However, should Hextall trade Simmonds, I'm probably gonna be done with him. I'm not a Hinkie fan, where you just keep trading veterans for picks/prospects, then once the picks/prospects become veterans, shipping them out for picks/prospects.

By doing so, you are basically rebuilding for eternity and have no deadline to actually start building a team. I'm not cool with a 10+ year rebuild.

Unless there is a ridiculous trade or he demands an unreasonable deal, I see no reason whatsoever to trade arguably the premier power forward in the league.

Bill what would you do with Simmonds if your the Gm? Do you look to resign him to a 7 year deal for 6 million or maybe more? Or look to move him?

Also while the proposed deal doesn't make sense, I put little faith on what a GM says.
- rinaldo

He will be 31 at the time this would happen. No way I give him that kind of term.

I've been on board with what Hextall has done. I understand that we're not a contender at the moment and that we're building towards it.

However, should Hextall trade Simmonds, I'm probably gonna be done with him. I'm not a Hinkie fan, where you just keep trading veterans for picks/prospects, then once the picks/prospects become veterans, shipping them out for picks/prospects.

By doing so, you are basically rebuilding for eternity and have no deadline to actually start building a team. I'm not cool with a 10+ year rebuild.

Unless there is a ridiculous trade or he demands an unreasonable deal, I see no reason whatsoever to trade arguably the premier power forward in the league.
- jmatchett383

well what's an unreasonable deal to you?

what's a reasonable deal to you?

He will be 31 at the time this would happen. No way I give him that kind of term.
- MBFlyerfan

I agree and Ronald is in a tough spot any way you slice it.

Simmonds could be a teams missing piece come the deadline. It has to be explored moving him. Even if you move him, depending on who you get back doesn't have to set back the rebuild at all.

Gotta add my list to yesterday's discussion that I missed...

Top 10 Floyd Songs, in no particular order outside of Sheep being my favorite.

Sheep (Waters voice turning into the synth on all the long notes blew my mind first time I heard that)
Echoes
Great Gig in the Sky
Dogs
Welcome to the Machine
Time
Shine on You Crazy Diamond
Atom Heart Mother Suite
Comfortably Numb
Not Now John (I think Final Cut is very underrated)

ttt

The only two names that pop in my head for Montreal are Giroux and Simmonds.
- J35Bacher

I don't check HB on weekends, so this morning is the first I saw anything about Philly-Montreal and those are the two names that popped into my head as far as who Montreal would probably want. Imho, it would take one heck of an offer to pry either one of them loose from the Flyers right now so...I dismissed the rumor even before reading Bill's blog today.

I've been on board with what Hextall has done. I understand that we're not a contender at the moment and that we're building towards it.

However, should Hextall trade Simmonds, I'm probably gonna be done with him. I'm not a Hinkie fan, where you just keep trading veterans for picks/prospects, then once the picks/prospects become veterans, shipping them out for picks/prospects.

By doing so, you are basically rebuilding for eternity and have no deadline to actually start building a team. I'm not cool with a 10+ year rebuild.

Unless there is a ridiculous trade or he demands an unreasonable deal, I see no reason whatsoever to trade arguably the premier power forward in the league.
- jmatchett383

For me it all depends.

If the flyers have some players like Linblom, Allison and Ratcliff that if they can show they can be a physical presence and score then it makes Simmonds expendable at that point.

Thing is we will only get to see Lindblom probably by the time Simmonds needs a new deal as Ratcliff and Allison still have time.

We'll see what happens this year. I'll be watching Lindblom and Patrick close because they could be your future top line players.

For me it all depends.

If the flyers have some players like Linblom, Allison and Ratcliff that if they can show they can be a physical presence and score then it makes Simmonds expendable at that point.

Thing is we will only get to see Lindblom probably by the time Simmonds needs a new deal as Ratcliff and Allison still have time.

We'll see what happens this year. I'll be watching Lindblom and Patrick close because they could be your future top line players.
- J35Bacher

I think Simmonds will be a guy where the back end of the deal will not be worth the cap. But I see Simmonds as "that one guy to put you over the top" that you would need. So, as long as the Flyers can turn their top-end prospect pool into NHL impact players in the next 3-4 years, then I'd be okay with extending Simmonds for the return on the first 2-4 years of the extension.

I have never seen the Flyers win a Cup. To me, if they win one Cup and then suck for 15 years, I won't be happy, but I will be content. So if they have to extend a player knowing that it will hurt them 6 years down the line for a 2-4 year window of being a top contender, I say go for it.

Keep in mind that a player like Simmonds would only cost the Flyers cap, space, where as acquiring a player like him from another team would require cap space and assets.

I actually laughed out loud when I saw that Sanheim-Paciorrety headline

not only is it ridiculous in its own right, but after MTL traded Sergachev for Drouin? not even worth thinking about. One of the more laughable headlines he has made up recently

I am really excited to see how the Flyers look next year with Paciorrety on the left wing along with Weber and Byfuglien on defense
- YuenglingJagr

Dont forget about MAF in the net!

Also while the proposed deal doesn't make sense, I put little faith on what a GM says.
- rinaldo

When Hextall says "absolutely not happening," it isn't happening.

When he says "I don't discuss trade talks," there's a chance.

This rumor falls in the first category. In fact, it's the exact type of deal he is adamant he will not make.

I think Simmonds will be a guy where the back end of the deal will not be worth the cap. But I see Simmonds as "that one guy to put you over the top" that you would need. So, as long as the Flyers can turn their top-end prospect pool into NHL impact players in the next 3-4 years, then I'd be okay with extending Simmonds for the return on the first 2-4 years of the extension.

I have never seen the Flyers win a Cup. To me, if they win one Cup and then suck for 15 years, I won't be happy, but I will be content. So if they have to extend a player knowing that it will hurt them 6 years down the line for a 2-4 year window of being a top contender, I say go for it.
- jmatchett383

I get it.

I still see a time coming up where one of Giroux/Voracek/Simmonds are not with the team.

If Patrick shows he can be the man then maybe it's Giroux, especially if he doesn't show a bounce back this season and you re up Simmonds.

Bill what would you do with Simmonds if your the Gm? Do you look to resign him to a 7 year deal for 6 million or maybe more? Or look to move him?
- rinaldo

I'd rather they go with a shorter term even if it means a bigger raise on the cap. Otherwise, they have to consider trade offers.... preferably while he still has a year left on the deal because that means a higher return than as a rental.

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I get it.

I still see a time coming up where one of Giroux/Voracek/Simmonds are not with the team.

If Patrick shows he can be the man then maybe it's Giroux, especially if he doesn't show a bounce back this season and you re up Simmonds.
- J35Bacher

To me, if it falls between losing one of Giroux or Simmonds, depending on what Giroux does this year, I'm keeping Simmonds despite how much I like Giroux.

I kind of view it like Washington re-upping Oshie, they're going for it even though the contract won't be worth it at the end of the deal. However, their cap situation was horrible and cost them Johansen, which is why I said "kind of."

I think Simmonds will be a guy where the back end of the deal will not be worth the cap. But I see Simmonds as "that one guy to put you over the top" that you would need. So, as long as the Flyers can turn their top-end prospect pool into NHL impact players in the next 3-4 years, then I'd be okay with extending Simmonds for the return on the first 2-4 years of the extension.

I have never seen the Flyers win a Cup. To me, if they win one Cup and then suck for 15 years, I won't be happy, but I will be content. So if they have to extend a player knowing that it will hurt them 6 years down the line for a 2-4 year window of being a top contender, I say go for it.

Keep in mind that a player like Simmonds would only cost the Flyers cap, space, where as acquiring a player like him from another team would require cap space and assets.
- jmatchett383

I agree with this thinking 100%. It's interesting when looking at comments and some of the narratives of how Hextall or other GM's make decisions. Every GM when they feel they have a legitimate chance is going to take risks and make moves for now even if it hurts them down the line. The object is to win championships, not just a sustain a decent team indefinitely. I think Hextall will make moves and use free agency when the timing is right to make moves that he feels will elevate the teams chances. Drafting and developing will always be the foundation but it will not always be everything as it is now.